I want to track down which part of an app contacts a given domain listed in its App Privacy Report. Following the instructions given here I am able to capture a packet trace, but traffic to the domain in question is encrypted using QUIC. Is there a way to insert e.g. mitmproxy into the capture process in order to get hold of the SSLKEYLOGFILE so that I can decrypt the traffic?

Hello, Our app uses Network Extension / Packet Tunnel Provider to establish VPN connections on macOS and iOS. We have observed that after creating a utun device and adding any IPv4 routes (NEPacketTunnelNetworkSettings.IPv4Settings), the OS automatically adds several host routes via utun to services such as Akamai, Apple Push, etc. These routes appear to correspond to TCP flows that were active at the moment the VPN connection was established. When a particular TCP flow ends, the corresponding host route is deleted. We understand this is likely intended to avoid breaking existing TCP connections. However, we find the behavior of migrating existing TCP flows to the new utun interface simply because any IPv4 route is added somewhat questionable. This approach would make sense in a "full-tunnel" scenario — for example, when all IPv4 traffic (e.g., 0.0.0.0/0) is routed through the tunnel — but not necessarily in a "split-tunnel" configuration where only specific IPv4 routes are added. Is there any way to control or influence this behavior? Would it be possible for FlowDivert to differentiate between full-tunnel and split-tunnel cases, and only preserve existing TCP flows via utun in the full-tunnel scenario? Thank you.

Description Our NETransparentProxyProvider system extension maintains a persistent TLS/DTLS control channel to a security gateway. To maintain this stateful connection the extension sends application-level "Keep Alive" packets every few seconds (example : 20 seconds). The Issue: When the macOS device enters a sleep state, the Network Extension process is suspended, causing our application-level heartbeat to cease. Consequently, our backend gateway—detecting no activity—terminates the session via Dead Peer Detection (DPD). The problem is exacerbated by macOS Dark Wake cycles. We observe the extension's wake() callback being triggered periodically (approx. every 15 minutes) while the device remains in a sleep state (lid closed). During these brief windows: The extension attempts to use the existing socket, finds it terminated by the backend, and initiates a full re-handshake. Shortly after the connection is re-established, the OS triggers the sleep() callback and suspends the process again. This creates a "connection churn" cycle that generates excessive telemetry noise and misleading "Session Disconnected" alerts for our enterprise customers. Steps to Reproduce Activate Proxy: Start the NETransparentProxyProvider and establish a TLS session to a gateway. Apply Settings: Configure NETransparentProxyNetworkSettings to intercept outbound TCP/UDP traffic. Initialize Heartbeat: Start a 20-second timer (DispatchSourceTimer) to log and send keep-alive packets. Induce Sleep: Put the Mac to sleep (Apple Menu > Sleep). Observe Logs: Monitor the system via sysdiagnose or the macOS Console. Observation: Logs stop entirely during sleep, indicating process suspension. Observation: wake() and sleep() callbacks are triggered repeatedly during Dark Wake intervals, causing a cycle of re-connections. Expected Behavior We seek to minimize connection turnover during maintenance wakes and maintain session stability while the device is technically in a sleep state. Questions for Apple Is it possible to suppress the sleep and wake callback methods of NETransparentProxyProvider when the device is performing a maintenance/Dark Wake, only triggering them for a full user-initiated wake? Is it possible to prevent the NETransparentProxyProvider process from being suspended during sleep, or at least grant it a high-priority background execution slot to maintain the heartbeat? If suspension is mandatory, is there a recommended way to utilize TCP_KEEPALIVE socket options that the kernel can handle on behalf of the suspended extension? How can the extension programmatically identify if a wake() call is a "Dark Wake" versus a "Full User Wake" to avoid unnecessary re-connection logic?

cant open this website: https://appstoreconnect.apple.com/apps  Bad Gateway Correlation Key: EJMQBY3TQQI6QR2RBCFRFK7WSM

Hi there, How can I best understand the changes on the eSIM Installation wizard, i.e. on iOS 18 and later after an eSIM installation you used to get steps such as labeling the eSIM, deciding what to use for iMessage & FaceTime, what to use for mobile data, main voice line, etc. Whereas on iOS 26 you are not prompted for these steps.

For Local network access, Chrome prompts the user to allow access and adds it to Settings --> Privacy & Security --> Local Network. However, for Safari, no prompt appears. How do I force Safari to authorise these local network access requests if it won't trigger the permission dialogue? Is there a specific WKWebView configuration or Safari-specific header required to satisfy this security check?

Hi there, We have been trying to set up URL filtering for our app but have run into a wall with generating the bloom filter. Firstly, some context about our set up: OHTTP handlers Uses pre-warmed lambdas to expose the gateway and the configs endpoints using the javascript libary referenced here - https://developers.cloudflare.com/privacy-gateway/get-started/#resources Status = untested We have not yet got access to Apples relay servers PIR service We run the PIR service through AWS ECS behind an ALB The container clones the following repo https://github.com/apple/swift-homomorphic-encryption, outside of config changes, we do not have any custom functionality Status = working From the logs, everything seems to be working here because it is responding to queries when they are sent, and never blocking anything it shouldn’t Bloom filter generation We generate a bloom filter from the following url list: https://example.com http://example.com example.com Then we put the result into the url filtering example application from here - https://developer.apple.com/documentation/networkextension/filtering-traffic-by-url The info generated from the above URLs is: { "bits": 44, "hashes": 11, "seed": 2538058380, "content": "m+yLyZ4O" } Status = broken We think this is broken because we are getting requests to our PIR server for every single website we visit We would have expected to only receive requests to the PIR server when going to example.com because it’s in our block list It’s possible that behind the scenes Apple runs sporadically makes requests regardless of the bloom filter result, but that isn’t what we’d expect We are generating our bloom filter in the following way: We double hash the URL using fnv1a for the first, and murmurhash3 for the second hashTwice(value: any, seed?: any): any { return { first: Number(fnv1a(value, { size: 32 })), second: murmurhash3(value, seed), }; } We calculate the index positions from the following function/formula , as seen in https://github.com/ameshkov/swift-bloom/blob/master/Sources/BloomFilter/BloomFilter.swift#L96 doubleHashing(n: number, hashA: number, hashB: number, size: number): number { return Math.abs((hashA + n * hashB) % size); } Questions: What hashing algorithms are used and can you link an implementation that you know is compatible with Apple’s? How are the index positions calculated from the iteration number, the size, and the hash results? There was mention of a tool for generating a bloom filter that could be used for Apple’s URL filtering implementation, when can we expect the release of this tool?

Just bought a macbook pro m4, im trying to run an api on port 5000, disabled airplay receiver, checked processes, ghost ones, hidden ones, and stuck ones. I didn't find a thing using the port, but i still get port in use.

I observed the following crash: Code Type: ARM-64 (Native) Parent Process: launchd [1] User ID: 0 Date/Time: 2025-10-07 13:48:29.082 OS Version: macOS 15.6 (24G84) Report Version: 12 Anonymous UUID: 8B651788-4B2E-7869-516B-1DA0D60F3744 Crashed Thread: 3 Dispatch queue: NEFlow queue Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV) Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x0000000000000054 ... Thread 3 Crashed: Dispatch queue: NEFlow queue 0 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000019af6da34 dispatch_async + 192 1 libnetworkextension.dylib 0x00000001b0cf8580 __flow_startup_block_invoke.216 + 124 2 com.apple.NetworkExtension 0x00000001adf97da8 __88-[NEExtensionAppProxyProviderContext setInitialFlowDivertControlSocket:extraValidation:]_block_invoke.90 + 860 3 libnetworkextension.dylib 0x00000001b0cf8140 __flow_startup_block_invoke.214 + 172 4 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000019af67b2c _dispatch_call_block_and_release + 32 5 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000019af8185c _dispatch_client_callout + 16 6 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000019af70350 _dispatch_lane_serial_drain + 740 7 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000019af70e2c _dispatch_lane_invoke + 388 8 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000019af7b264 _dispatch_root_queue_drain_deferred_wlh + 292 9 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000019af7aae8 _dispatch_workloop_worker_thread + 540 10 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x000000019b11be64 _pthread_wqthread + 292 11 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x000000019b11ab74 start_wqthread + 8 ... It appears that the crash is caused by the flow director queue becoming NULL when dispatch_async is called (accessing address 0x0000000000000054). Meanwhile, my transparent proxy was still running. I'm wondering if this is a known issue or if anyone else has encountered the same problem. @eskimo

HI, I am currently developing an app that utilizes Wi-Fi Aware. According to the Wi-Fi Aware framework examples and the WWDC25 session on Wi-Fi Aware, discovery is handled using DevicePairingView and DevicePicker from the DeviceDiscoveryUI module. However, these SwiftUI views present their connection UI modally when tapped. My app's design requires the ability to control the presentation of this UI programmatically, rather than relying on a user tap. While inspecting the DeviceDiscoveryUI module, I found DDDevicePairingViewController and DDDevicePickerViewController, which appear to be the UIViewController counterparts to the SwiftUI views. The initializer for DDDevicePairingViewController accepts a ListenerProvider, so it seems I can pass the same ListenerProvider instance that is used with the DevicePairingView. However, the initializer for DDDevicePickerViewController requires an NWBrowser.Descriptor, which seems incompatible with the parameters used for the SwiftUI DevicePicker. I have two main questions: (1) Can DDDevicePairingViewController and DDDevicePickerViewController be officially used for Wi-Fi Aware pairing? (2) Are there any plans to provide more customization or programmatic control over the DevicePairingView and DevicePicker (for example, allowing us to trigger their modal presentation programmatically)? Thank you.

Getting -10985 error from urlSession while attempting to make a connection. Not sure why this is happening if anyone is aware please help

My external device can generate a fixed Wi-Fi network. When I connect to this Wi-Fi using my iPhone 17 Pro Max (iOS version 26.0.1), and my app tries to establish a connection using the following method, this method returns -1 int connect(int, const struct sockaddr *, socklen_t) __DARWIN_ALIAS_C(connect); However, when I use other phones, such as iPhone 12, iPhone 8, iPhone 11, etc., to connect to this external device, the above method always returns successfully, with the parameters passed to the method remaining the same. I also tried resetting the network settings on the iPhone 17 Pro Max (iOS version 26.0.1), but it still cannot establish a connection.

Hi all, I work on a smart product that, for setup, uses a captive portal to allow users to connect and configure the device. It emits a WiFi network and runs a captive portal - an HTTP server operates at 10.0.0.1, and a DNS server responds to all requests with 10.0.0.1 to direct "any and all" request to the server. When iOS devices connect, they send a request to captive.apple.com/hotspot-detect.html; if it returns success, that means they're on the internet; if not, the typical behavior in the past has been to assume you're connected to a captive portal and display what's being served. I serve any requests to /hotspot-detect.html with my captive portal page (index.html). This has worked reliably on iOS18 for a long time (user selects my products WiFi network, iOS detects portal and opens it). But almost everyone who's now trying with iOS26 is having the "automatic pop up" behavior fail - usually it says "Error opening page - Hotspot login cannot open the page because the network connection was lost." However, if opening safari and navigating to any URL (or 10.0.0.1) the portal loads - it's just the iOS auto-detect and open that's not working iOS18 always succeeds; iOS26 always fails. Anybody have any idea what changes may have been introduced in iOS26 on this front, or anything I can do to help prompt or coax iOS26 into loading the portal? It typically starts reading, but then stops mid-read.

Hi! I wrote an internal used backup command line tool which is in use since several years. Today I got an error while sending an email: “Failed: ioOnClosedChannel”. I assume that the latest macOS updates did break my app. On the server I use macOS 15.7 and on my development machine macOS 26. Here is the related code: private func sendMail() { var a : [Email.Attachment] = [] if self.imageData != nil { switch self.imageType { case .tiff: a.append(Email.Attachment(name: "Statistics.tif", contentType: #"image/tiff"#, contents: ByteBuffer(bytes: self.imageData!))) case .pdf: a.append(Email.Attachment(name: "Statistics.pdf", contentType: #"application/pdf"#, contents: ByteBuffer(bytes: self.imageData!))) case .unknown: fatalError("Unimplemented attachment type!") } } mailHtml = mailHtml.replacingOccurrences(of: "<br>", with: "<br>\n") let email = Email(sender: .init(name: "Backup", emailAddress: "SENDER@MYDOMAIN"), replyTo: nil, recipients: recipients, cc: [], bcc: [], subject: self.subject, body: .universal(plain: self.mailText, html: mailHtml), attachments: a) let evg = MultiThreadedEventLoopGroup(numberOfThreads: System.coreCount) let mailer = Mailer(group: evg, configuration: smtpConfig, transmissionLogger: nil) do { print("Sending mail... ", terminator: "") try mailer.send(email: email).wait() // <-- ERROR HERE Failed: ioOnClosedChannel print("done.") } catch { print("Failed: \(error)") } do { try evg.syncShutdownGracefully() } catch { print("Failed shutdown: \(error)") } } I use https://github.com/sersoft-gmbh/swift-smtp. Any clue about the reason of this error? TIA, GreatOm

How often do we see control filter start and stop? I read somewhere that data filter is long lived and control Filter is short lived. When does the operating system kills the control filter process?

This is a topic that’s come up a few times on the forums, so I thought I’d write up a summary of the issues I’m aware of. If you have questions or comments, start a new thread in the App & System Services > Networking subtopic and tag it with Network Extension. That way I’ll be sure to see it go by. Share and Enjoy — Quinn “The Eskimo!” @ Developer Technical Support @ Apple let myEmail = "eskimo" + "1" + "@" + "apple.com" Network Extension Provider Packaging There are two ways to package a network extension provider: App extension ( appex ) System extension ( sysex ) Different provider types support different packaging on different platforms. See TN3134 Network Extension provider deployment for the details. Some providers, most notably packet tunnel providers on macOS, support both appex and sysex packaging. Sysex packaging has a number of advantages: It supports direct distribution, using Developer ID signing. It better matches the networking stack on macOS. An appex is tied to the logged in user, whereas a sysex, and the networking stack itself, is global to the system as a whole. Given that, it generally makes sense to package your Network Extension (NE) provider as a sysex on macOS. If you’re creating a new product that’s fine, but if you have an existing iOS product that you want to bring to macOS, you have to account for the differences brought on by the move to sysex packaging. Similarly, if you have an existing sysex product on macOS that you want to bring to iOS, you have to account for the appex packaging. This post summarises those changes. Keep the following in mind while reading this post: The information here applies to all NE providers that can be packaged as either an appex or a sysex. When this post uses a specific provider type in an example, it’s just an example. Unless otherwise noted, any information about iOS also applies to iPadOS, tvOS, and visionOS. Process Lifecycle With appex packaging, the system typically starts a new process for each instance of your NE provider. For example, with a packet tunnel provider: When the users starts the VPN, the system creates a process and then instantiates and starts the NE provider in that process. When the user stops the VPN, the system stops the NE provider and then terminates the process running it. If the user starts the VPN again, the system creates an entirely new process and instantiates and starts the NE provider in that. In contrast, with sysex packaging there’s typically a single process that runs all off the sysex’s NE providers. Returning to the packet tunnel provider example: When the users starts the VPN, the system instantiates and starts the NE provider in the sysex process. When the user stops the VPN, the system stops and deallocates the NE provider instances, but leaves the sysex process running. If the user starts the VPN again, the system instantiates and starts a new instances of the NE provider in the sysex process. This lifecycle reflects how the system runs the NE provider, which in turn has important consequences on what the NE provider can do: An appex acts like a launchd agent [1], in that it runs in a user context and has access to that user’s state. A sysex is effectively a launchd daemon. It runs in a context that’s global to the system as a whole. It does not have access to any single user’s state. Indeed, there might be no user logged in, or multiple users logged in. The following sections explore some consequences of the NE provider lifecycle. [1] It’s not actually run as a launchd agent. Rather, there’s a system launchd agent that acts as the host for the app extension. App Groups With an app extension, the app extension and its container app run as the same user. Thus it’s trivial to share state between them using an app group container. Note When talking about extensions on Apple platforms, the container app is the app in which the extension is embedded and the host app is the app using the extension. For network extensions the host app is the system itself. That’s not the case with a system extension. The system extension runs as root whereas the container app runs an the user who launched it. While both programs can claim access to the same app group, the app group container location they receive will be different. For the system extension that location will be inside the home directory for the root user. For the container app the location will be inside the home directory of the user who launched it. This does not mean that app groups are useless in a Network Extension app. App groups are also a factor in communicating between the container app and its extensions, the subject of the next section. IMPORTANT App groups have a long and complex history on macOS. For the full story, see App Groups: macOS vs iOS: Working Towards Harmony. Communicating with Extensions With an app extension there are two communication options: App-provider messages App groups App-provider messages are supported by NE directly. In the container app, send a message to the provider by calling sendProviderMessage(_:responseHandler:) method. In the appex, receive that message by overriding the handleAppMessage(_:completionHandler:) method. An appex can also implement inter-process communication (IPC) using various system IPC primitives. Both the container app and the appex claim access to the app group via the com.apple.security.application-groups entitlement. They can then set up IPC using various APIs, as explain in the documentation for that entitlement. With a system extension the story is very different. App-provider messages are supported, but they are rarely used. Rather, most products use XPC for their communication. In the sysex, publish a named XPC endpoint by setting the NEMachServiceName property in its Info.plist. Listen for XPC connections on that endpoint using the XPC API of your choice. Note For more information about the available XPC APIs, see XPC Resources. In the container app, connect to that named XPC endpoint using the XPC Mach service name API. For example, with NSXPCConnection, initialise the connection with init(machServiceName:options:), passing in the string from NEMachServiceName. To maximise security, set the .privileged flag. Note XPC Resources has a link to a post that explains why this flag is important. If the container app is sandboxed — necessary if you ship on the Mac App Store — then the endpoint name must be prefixed by an app group ID that’s accessible to that app, lest the App Sandbox deny the connection. See the app groups documentation for the specifics. When implementing an XPC listener in your sysex, keep in mind that: Your sysex’s named XPC endpoint is registered in the global namespace. Any process on the system can open a connection to it [1]. Your XPC listener must be prepared for this. If you want to restrict connections to just your container app, see XPC Resources for a link to a post that explains how to do that. Even if you restrict access in that way, it’s still possible for multiple instances of your container app to be running simultaneously, each with its own connection to your sysex. This happens, for example, if there are multiple GUI users logged in and different users run your container app. Design your XPC protocol with this in mind. Your sysex only gets one named XPC endpoint, and thus one XPC listener. If your sysex includes multiple NE providers, take that into account when you design your XPC protocol. [1] Assuming that connection isn’t blocked by some other mechanism, like the App Sandbox. Inter-provider Communication A sysex can include multiple types of NE providers. For example, a single sysex might include a content filter and a DNS proxy provider. In that case the system instantiates all of the NE providers in the same sysex process. These instances can communicate without using IPC, for example, by storing shared state in global variables (with suitable locking, of course). It’s also possible for a single container app to contain multiple sysexen, each including a single NE provider. In that case the system instantiates the NE providers in separate processes, one for each sysex. If these providers need to communicate, they have to use IPC. In the appex case, the system instantiates each provider in its own process. If two providers need to communicate, they have to use IPC. Managing Secrets An appex runs in a user context and thus can store secrets, like VPN credentials, in the keychain. On macOS this includes both the data protection keychain and the file-based keychain. It can also use a keychain access group to share secrets with its container app. See Sharing access to keychain items among a collection of apps. Note If you’re not familiar with the different types of keychain available on macOS, see TN3137 On Mac keychain APIs and implementations. A sysex runs in the global context and thus doesn’t have access to user state. It also doesn’t have access to the data protection keychain. It must use the file-based keychain, and specifically the System keychain. That means there’s no good way to share secrets with the container app. Instead, do all your keychain operations in the sysex. If the container app needs to work with a secret, have it pass that request to the sysex via IPC. For example, if the user wants to use a digital identity as a VPN credential, have the container app get the PKCS#12 data and password and then pass that to the sysex so that it can import the digital identity into the keychain. Memory Limits iOS imposes strict memory limits an NE provider appexen [1]. macOS imposes no memory limits on NE provider appexen or sysexen. [1] While these limits are not documented officially, you can get a rough handle on the current limits by reading the posts in this thread. Frameworks If you want to share code between a Mac app and its embedded appex, use a structure like this: MyApp.app/ Contents/ MacOS/ MyApp PlugIns/ MyExtension.appex/ Contents/ MacOS/ MyExtension … Frameworks/ MyFramework.framework/ … There’s one copy of the framework, in the app’s Frameworks directory, and both the app and the appex reference it. This approach works for an appex because the system always loads the appex from your app’s bundle. It does not work for a sysex. When you activate a sysex, the system copies it to a protected location. If that sysex references a framework in its container app, it will fail to start because that framework isn’t copied along with the sysex. The solution is to structure your app like this: MyApp.app/ Contents/ MacOS/ MyApp Library/ SystemExtensions/ MyExtension.systemextension/ Contents/ MacOS/ MyExtension Frameworks/ MyFramework.framework/ … … That is, have both the app and the sysex load the framework from the sysex’s Frameworks directory. When the system copies the sysex to its protected location, it’ll also copy the framework, allowing the sysex to load it. To make this work you have to change the default rpath configuration set up by Xcode. Read Dynamic Library Standard Setup for Apps to learn how that works and then tweak things so that: The framework is embedded in the sysex, not the container app. The container app has an additional LC_RPATH load command for the sysex’s Frameworks directory (@executable_path/../Library/SystemExtensions/MyExtension.systemextension/Contents/Frameworks). The sysex’s LC_RPATH load command doesn’t reference the container app’s Frameworks directory (@executable_path/../../../../Frameworks) but instead points to the sysex’s Framweorks directory (@executable_path/../Frameworks). Entitlements When you build an app with an embedded NE extension, both the app and the extension must be signed with the com.apple.developer.networking.networkextension entitlement. This is a restricted entitlement, that is, it must be authorised by a provisioning profile. The value of this entitlement is an array, and the values in that array differ depend on your distribution channel: If you distribute your app directly with Developer ID signing, use the values with the -systemextension suffix. Otherwise — including when you distribute the app on the App Store and when signing for development — use the values without that suffix. Make sure you authorise these values with your provisioning profile. If, for example, you use an App Store distribution profile with a Developer ID signed app, things won’t work because the profile doesn’t authorise the right values. In general, the easiest option is to use Xcode’s automatic code signing. However, watch out for the pitfall described in Exporting a Developer ID Network Extension. Revision History 2025-11-06 Added the Entitlements section. Explained that, with sysex packaging, multiple instances of your container app might connect simultaneously with your sysex. 2025-09-17 First posted.

I develop a Network Extension with NEFilterDataProvider and want to understand how to stop or disable it on exit of the base app without deactivating NE from OS and leave ability to start it again without requiring a password from the user. It starts normally, but when I try to disable it: NEFilterManager.sharedManager.enabled = NO; [NEFilterManager.sharedManager saveToPreferencesWithCompletionHandler:^(NSError * _Nullable error) { // never called }]; the completion handler has never called. But stopFilterWithReason inside the NE code called by the framework where I only replay with required completionHandler();. Then NE process keeps alive. I also tried to call remove, which should disable NE: [NEFilterManager.sharedManager removeFromPreferencesWithCompletionHandler:^(NSError * _Nullable error) { // never called }]; with same result - I freeze forever on waiting completion handler. So what is the correct way to disable NE without explicit deactivation it by [OSSystemExtensionRequest deactivationRequestForExtension:...]?

I am running a full-tunnel VPN using a Packet Tunnel Provider. During VPN setup, we configure DNS setting with specific DNS servers for all domains to be used by the tunnel. However, our project requires DNS resolution for every domain from both the VPN-provided DNS servers and the ISP’s DNS servers. When I attempt to use c-ares or other third-party libraries to resolve domains via the ISP DNS servers, these libraries only detect and use the VPN DNS servers instead. As a result, all queries fail. Is there a way on iOS to programmatically determine the ISP DNS servers while a full-tunnel VPN is active, or a system API that allows DNS queries to be explicitly resolved using the ISP’s DNS servers?

I need to run multiple, slightly different copies of a modeling tool, which all need access to a model repository on a different machine. Security Settings -> Network tends to pick one modeling tool (and unfortunately the wrong one) for permission, but the dialog offers no way to add the other copies manually. Where can I configure the permission on low level. [macOS Sequoia 15.6.1]

I need to know the https address of a certain page within my app. This is going to be used as a redirect URL. I don't think it is a good idea to use deep links because it has to be an https address. I don't think Universal Links will work because it is not my website that I will be communicating with.